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TOPIC: Who is this BRAVEST, GUTSIEST, FANATICALLY PATRIOTIC AMERICAN
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/1f92f2bc0676814
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:45 am
From: "%"

how are ya

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:46 am
From: "%"

good glad to hear it

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:55 am
From: "Sampath"

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:q4adnfwab85QyOHYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@giganews.com...
> how are ya
>
>

You mean atta girls, transvestites, eunuchs like this in our mighty super
power american govt.

Roflmao......

Begin Excerpt from AGPE's post:

Here is a PUBLIC MESSAGE for all the FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS:

Begin Message

I will NEVER EVER bend over and behave like a SLAVE like majority of the
300 mil programmed american slaves NO MATTER how much YOU TORTURE ME.
I would rather DIE ON MY FEET than live on my knees. I know it for a fact,
you FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS already consider me as the GUTSIEST and BRAVEST
AMERICAN you have known and I am sure all my true freedom loving fellow
americans will do the same in the future.

End Message

HUNT and RUTHLESSLY KILL these UNDERCOVER FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS
Corey White, Steve Foley and Ed Conrad after RAPING and TORTURING THEM as
revenge for the TORTURE they DID to me for 5+ years, 24X7.

Corey White - Posted with email id CoreyWhite at gmail.com and IP address
64.12.116.6 on 6-19-06.
Ed Conrad - Posts with email id EdConrad at verizon.net (can be found
everywhere on usenet)
Steve Foley - posts with email id Steve.Foley at att.net

PSYCHOPATHS must be RUTHLESSLY KILLED and that includes FBI and NSA
PSYCHOPATHS. America will become a REAL UTOPIA when ALL AMERICANS
develop the GUTS and SPINE to think and act that they have the
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO KILL FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS who
TORTURE INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS endlessly with ILLEGAL and
NON-CONSENSUAL SYNTHETIC TELEPATHY experiments and
PSYCHO-ELECTRONIC WEAPON ATTACKS.

Give exactly the SAME WEAPON to any FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATH and a
NON-AMERICAN to FIGHT and these US GOVT IMPOTENT PSYCHOPATHS will DROP their
WEAPONS and RUN like HELL crying Mommy, Mommy, Mommy HELP ME.

The WORST PART is 300 mil AMERICAN PROGRAMMED SLAVES "WORSHIP" these
IMPOTENT FBI, CIA and NSA PUSSIES as BRAVE WARRIORS.

MYTH:
America is a LAND of the FREE and HOME of the BRAVE

FACT:
America is a LAND of GOVT PROGRAMMED SLAVES and HOME of GOVT FEARING PUSSIES

Signature:
Pax anti- evil US GOVT FASCISM, SADISM, PERVERSION, TERRORISM and
PYSCHOPATHIC BEHAVIOR is a philosophy.

Making sure EVIL, PSYCHOPATHIC, BLOOD THIRSTY american govt does not
turn me into a SLAVE like majority of the americans, is liberty building.

Think of it as somebody beating the shit out of EVIL AMERICAN GOVT
CRIMINALS, MURDERERS, PEDOPHILES, PSYCHOPATHS and TERRORISTS for being
FASCIST, BLOOD THIRSTY and GENOCIDAL.

--
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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:55 am
From: "Sampath"

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:csSdnbSc78RDyOHYnZ2dnUVZ_oqmnZ2d@giganews.com...
> good glad to hear it
>
>

You mean atta girls, transvestites, eunuchs like this in our mighty super
power american govt.

Roflmao......

Here is a PUBLIC MESSAGE for all the FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS:

Begin Message

End Message

HUNT and RUTHLESSLY KILL these UNDERCOVER FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS
Corey White, Steve Foley and Ed Conrad after RAPING and TORTURING THEM as
revenge for the TORTURE they DID to me for 5+ years, 24X7.

The WORST PART is 300 mil AMERICAN PROGRAMMED SLAVES "WORSHIP" these
IMPOTENT FBI, CIA and NSA PUSSIES as BRAVE WARRIORS.

MYTH:
America is a LAND of the FREE and HOME of the BRAVE

FACT:
America is a LAND of GOVT PROGRAMMED SLAVES and HOME of GOVT FEARING PUSSIES

Signature:
Pax anti- evil US GOVT FASCISM, SADISM, PERVERSION, TERRORISM and
PYSCHOPATHIC BEHAVIOR is a philosophy.

Making sure EVIL, PSYCHOPATHIC, BLOOD THIRSTY american govt does not
turn me into a SLAVE like majority of the americans, is liberty building.

Think of it as somebody beating the shit out of EVIL AMERICAN GOVT
CRIMINALS, MURDERERS, PEDOPHILES, PSYCHOPATHS and TERRORISTS for being
FASCIST, BLOOD THIRSTY and GENOCIDAL.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:56 am
From: "Sampath"

"%" <persent@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3dqdnUrMQIghyOHYnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@giganews.com...
> hi
>
>

How many tonnes of viagra, levitra and cialis have AGCE and AGPE forced you
FBI, CIA and NSA psychopaths to order ?

Any idea why our fbi, cia and nsa transvestites didnt arrest this brave
american AGCE, AGPE even though he committed a crime by publicly
threatening to kill our great freedom loving president bush ?

I pity you for your wife, mother and daughters are fantasizing about getting
fucked by this bravest and gutsiest american AGPE, AGCE when you are fucking
them. I can understand the frustration of all fbi, cia and nsa psychopaths.

Roflmao.....

Begin Excerpt from AGPE, AGCE's post.

Here is a PUBLIC MESSAGE for all the FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS:

Begin Message

End Message

HUNT and RUTHLESSLY KILL these UNDERCOVER FBI and NSA PSYCHOPATHS
Corey White, Steve Foley and Ed Conrad after RAPING and TORTURING THEM as
revenge for the TORTURE they DID to me for 5+ years, 24X7.

The WORST PART is 300 mil AMERICAN PROGRAMMED SLAVES "WORSHIP" these
IMPOTENT FBI, CIA and NSA PUSSIES as BRAVE WARRIORS.

MYTH:
America is a LAND of the FREE and HOME of the BRAVE

FACT:
America is a LAND of GOVT PROGRAMMED SLAVES and HOME of GOVT FEARING PUSSIES

Signature:
Pax anti- evil US GOVT FASCISM, SADISM, PERVERSION, TERRORISM and
PYSCHOPATHIC BEHAVIOR is a philosophy.

Making sure EVIL, PSYCHOPATHIC, BLOOD THIRSTY american govt does not
turn me into a SLAVE like majority of the americans, is liberty building.

Think of it as somebody beating the shit out of EVIL AMERICAN GOVT
CRIMINALS, MURDERERS, PEDOPHILES, PSYCHOPATHS and TERRORISTS for being
FASCIST, BLOOD THIRSTY and GENOCIDAL.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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TOPIC: Actress Meredith Eaton's husband actor Michael Gilden founddead
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/943ccbbcdb4042d
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:49 pm
From: Reality Check

On 10 Dec 2006 10:24:14 -0800, "LK" <brdzrbest@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Reality Check wrote:
>>
>> Not really - she *is* a dwarf.
>>
>> From an answer to a question on
>> http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2006/10/the_strange_cas.html :
>>
>> "...Meredith (who is a friend of mine), is an actual dwarf - she is 4'
>> 3" ... and one hell of an actress - check out the movie 'Unconditional
>> Love,' which she totally steals from Kathy Bates and Rupert Everett.
>> There are many different forms of dwarfism; and in Meredith's case her
>> head and face are indeed of 'average' size."
>
>She's a terrific actress ... how terrible this must be for her ...

Are we sure it's true? I can't find anything online about it at all.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:35 am
From: "Garondo Marondo"

Kiwwi@webtv.net wrote:
> inahandbasket77@yahoo.com (Hellina Handbasket) wrote:
>
> >>>Found hanging...
>
> >>>More to come I'm sure ...
>
> >>That's too bad. Who are either of them?
>
> >http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0318402/
>
> And she's the dwarf on Boston Legal.

Willaim Shatner's midget girlfriend who he thought for a time was his
daughter throuigh Delta Burke. Assuming she's not involved poor thing.

..
Garondo Marondo!

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TOPIC: ! Another side of Seinfeld that MOST whites choose to ignore
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/a8d40ebb359396d8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 6:51 pm
From: smacktalk@netscape.net

On 10 Dec 2006 08:55:54 -0800, "stickyw" <stickyweather@aol.com>
wrote:

>Niggerledge, all you're doing is wasting bandwidth.
>
>As proven by history and society, blacks are by far the least advanced,
>weakest race on the planet, incapable of surviving without the white
>man's help. And all your posts saying otherwise isn't going to change
>that fact.

But they do lead the league in committing a disproportionate number of
violent crimes; that's got to count for something.

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TOPIC: New BBC series tackles 9/11 and Oklahoma Bombing etc in new year
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/7f2de4a94783f76c
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 10:59 am
From: "NH"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6161425.stm

A new BBC TV series explores some of the biggest and most troubling
conspiracy theories of modern times.

9/11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6160775.stm

OKLAHOMA BOMB
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6213816.stm

DAVID KELLY
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6213898.stm

Conspiracy links

David Kelly:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1164

The Oklahoma City Bombing
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html

9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4488542891415681105

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 3:32 pm
From: cloud dreamer

NH wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6161425.stm
>
> A new BBC TV series explores some of the biggest and most troubling
> conspiracy theories of modern times.
>

With an luck, it'll put an end to some of the more ridiculous theories.

MMVIII

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TOPIC: Halloween was the last straw for Mel B and Eddie Murphy
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/af9d6bd994dcdef0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 6:59 pm
From: stevie744@msn.com (Stevie L.)

Did Mel B go out as Scary Spice while trick or treating?

On 10 Dec 2006 07:01:44 -0800, "pinhead" <raheem934@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Halloween was the last straw for Mel B and Eddie Murphy
>
>
>
>Streetroachpics.com
>
>
>12/10/06
>
>
>If you have been keeping up with the love , lust and lies between Eddie
>Murphy and Seductress aka Melanie Janine Brown , you know the two have
>split . You know Eddie said the baby is not his although he did not
>give the reason. You know many are speculating that Murphy may not like
>using a condom. Oh and last thing, you know his 65 year mother came
>into the circle of romance. According to Daily Mail, the final straw
>was Halloween night for the two.
>
>
>Eddie and the kids were getting ready for trick or treat while the
>Seductress who is pregnant needed some big daddy attention. On this
>day, Eddie was showering his mother with attention and not
>communicating with Mel B. Well Mel B raised hell according to Daily
>Mail and made the following statement. "Why does he pay so much
>attention to his mother? I'm his girlfriend." Other sources say Mel has
>been at odds with his mother from day one and this event cause Eddie to
>dump the island Seductress the next day.
>
>
>The British urban female is known to have a big temper and a foul
>mouth. Which makes us second class Americans wonder is Mel B Bipolar.
>Melanie has made statements to Murphy saying she cannot respect a man
>who lives with his mother. Murphy's friends feels Melanie was just a
>British colonial looking for a new bounty to take and plunder. Murphy
>has in the past and currently made the following statement about his
>mother. He said, 'When it comes down to it, my mother is the most
>important woman in my life. If a girl doesn't get on with her, she
>doesn't get to stay with me.'"
>
>http://www.streetroachpics.com/streetroachpics/rumours/eddie5.php
>

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TOPIC: Celebrity Sex Tape Info
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/a3fd39cb13a0d6e4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:00 am
From: "banbear"

Check out www.CelebrityDirt.net

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TOPIC: Whatever Happened to...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/c1be12a50c3c340e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:01 am
From: OddsMkr711@sbcglobal.net

...Darcy LaPier?
Anybody remember her? She was married to the guy who owns Hawaiian
Tropic, then dumped him for Jean Claude Van Damme. Then she married JC
and after having a kid and an on-again/off-again thing, she moved on to
somebody else(translation: someone more richer). Following that, she
married someone more richer, he died and is fighting against her
stepson(who probably hasn't hit puberty at the time) for her husbands
fortune. Never heard from her after that.

"Comedy is the truth done for laughs."

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TOPIC: Material Girls out on DVD on Dec. 12th
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/c1782b341bc29bb6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 7:03 pm
From: stevie744@msn.com (Stevie L.)

This Tuesday is the big day!

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:09:58 GMT, alvinjui8@yahoo.com (Alvin Juirn)
wrote:

>I like the cover of the DVD with the two Duff girls!
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Material-Girls-Hilary-Duff/dp/B000JFY05W/sr=1-1/qid=1162177707/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-3385509-9520940?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

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TOPIC: Extreme method actingl!!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/391225006b7fea08
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:04 am
From: "NH"

It's funny AND sad.

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TOPIC: Rosie to Asians: Get Over It
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/26ba85872d96489a
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:04 am
From: doe_rick@hotmail.com

This guy is a jackass. Rosie O'Donnell is obnoxious as hell... but is
100% Irish Catholic from NYC.
Oh yeah...the Japanese wouldn't have been nuked if they hadn't SNEAK
ATTACKED,
This twisted hate-monger also refers to all heterosexuals...at least
90% of the population... as "breeders". Too bad your parents bred. And
who's the rascist? I guess anti-semitism doesn't count as rascism? Too
stupid to see your own bigotry ( like most bigots). This is what
happens when you take a great invention like the internet and let every
ignorant fuck in the world use it.

Terry Lomax wrote:
> nimue wrote:
> > edonline wrote:
> > > http://www.tmz.com/2006/12/09/rosie-to-asians-get-over-it/
> > >
> > > Rosie to Asians: Get Over It
> > > Posted Dec 9th 2006 10:18AM by TMZ Staff
> > >
> > > She may not have used the N-word, but that doesn't mean Rosie
> > > O'Donnell is in the clear when it comes to race relations.
> > >
> > > According to Page 6, Asian-Americans are fuming at "The View" host for
> > > saying that Danny DeVito's drunken antics made headlines in China that
> > > read: 'Ching chong, ching ching chong, Danny DeVito!"
> > >
> > > "The use of the distorted phrases is insulting to the Chinese and
> > > Chinese-Americans, and gives the impression that they are a group that
> > > is substandard to English-speaking people," says the Asian-American
> > > Journalists Association. But Rosie's rep thinks they just don't get
> > > it: "I certainly hope that one day they will be able to grasp her
> > > humor."
> >
> > My father would have really let me have it if I had used "humor" like that
> > as a kid. I am so grateful I was taught that sensitivity, consideration,
> > and manners matter, and that using people's ethnicity/race/religion to make
> > fun of them just isn't funny. It's about as low as you can get. I guess
> > Rosie was never taught that. This brings back a memory from middle school.
> > I remember we were playing a softball and a Japanese girl caught a ball hit
> > by a white member of the opposing team, who was then "out." The white girl
> > started screaming, "Chinky, chinky, chinky" and pulling her eyes so that
> > they slanted. I nearly died of shock right there on the field. I could not
> > believe someone could do that, would even think of doing that. Maybe that
> > was when I began (and it has been a long process) to realize that the world
> > was not like my family.
>
> Asians suffer discrimination on a daily basis. In the USA, American
> citizens of Asian national background are always being accused by
> whites of not being American citizens.
>
> Rosie is a filthy Jewish bitch. Her racist remarks show how Jews are
> the most racist people on Earth. The genocide of good Asians in WWII
> is mainly the fault of Jews (Jewish politicians put Japenese-Americans
> in concentration camps, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked with a
> device created by a Jew).
>
> Rosie's remarks also show how dykes are often racist.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:47 pm
From: GP

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:26:20 -0600, scorpio2_2@yahoo.com wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:45:49 -0500, edonline
><edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>http://www.tmz.com/2006/12/09/rosie-to-asians-get-over-it/
>>
>>Rosie to Asians: Get Over It
>>Posted Dec 9th 2006 10:18AM by TMZ Staff
>>
>>She may not have used the N-word, but that doesn't mean Rosie
>>O'Donnell is in the clear when it comes to race relations.
>>
>>According to Page 6, Asian-Americans are fuming at "The View" host for
>>saying that Danny DeVito's drunken antics made headlines in China that
>>read: 'Ching chong, ching ching chong, Danny DeVito!"
>>
>>"The use of the distorted phrases is insulting to the Chinese and
>>Chinese-Americans, and gives the impression that they are a group that
>>is substandard to English-speaking people," says the Asian-American
>>Journalists Association. But Rosie's rep thinks they just don't get
>>it: "I certainly hope that one day they will be able to grasp her
>>humor."
>
>
>Interesting comment that Rosie says "Get over it". Rosie the fag does
>not seem to be able to get over anything.

Guy walks up to Rosie O'Donnell in a bar and says "I sure could use a
little pussy"

Rosie says "ME TOOOOO!!! Mine is as big as a truck!!!"

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TOPIC: E! ONLINE/Kristin Veitch 12/06 **BLIND ITEMS**
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/f4f9932961c676a4
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 12:05 pm
From: "muzicmakr"

"mystique" <mystique@cryptic.ne> wrote in message
news:pXXeh.57872$W66.32921@newsfe15.lga...
>
> "Doctor Wu" <pcdr3835@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pcdr3835-95F24E.12564310122006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <1165772843.263580.267440@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> agcblinditems@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> http://snipurl.com/131lb
>>> --Once upon a time, Nelly was supposed to be a leading lady of a
>>> certain show we talk about pretty often here at WWK Central. She was
>>> sexy, driven, edgy and seemingly perfect for the part-but as it
>>> turned out, she couldn't act her way out of even the most simply
>>> crafted scene. Her one-note performance drove the producers a little
>>> nuts, so they soon began plotting her death. When the death scene
>>> actually went down, the cast and crew gathered together for a party,
>>> and when Nelly bit the dust, the room broke out in raucous cheers.
>>
>> Michelle Rodriguez from "Lost"?
> My immediate guess too....
>

Whoever it is, it's a funny story.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:56 am
From: Reality Check

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:05:58 -0700, "muzicmakr" <muzicmakr@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"mystique" <mystique@cryptic.ne> wrote in message
>news:pXXeh.57872$W66.32921@newsfe15.lga...
>>
>> "Doctor Wu" <pcdr3835@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:pcdr3835-95F24E.12564310122006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> In article <1165772843.263580.267440@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> agcblinditems@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://snipurl.com/131lb
>>>> --Once upon a time, Nelly was supposed to be a leading lady of a
>>>> certain show we talk about pretty often here at WWK Central. She was
>>>> sexy, driven, edgy and seemingly perfect for the part-but as it
>>>> turned out, she couldn't act her way out of even the most simply
>>>> crafted scene. Her one-note performance drove the producers a little
>>>> nuts, so they soon began plotting her death. When the death scene
>>>> actually went down, the cast and crew gathered together for a party,
>>>> and when Nelly bit the dust, the room broke out in raucous cheers.
>>>
>>> Michelle Rodriguez from "Lost"?
>> My immediate guess too....
>>
>
>Whoever it is, it's a funny story.

How about Mischa Barton? She was about as interesting as wood (no
offense to wood!) on the OC.

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TOPIC: I was actually embarassed for Gwen Stefani last night...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/45f8916fd2353a1e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:09 am
From: "mayvenne"

Wow. Just watched the clip- that was REALLY poor.
I always thought she had a good voice but this clip is mostly her
talking voice and dancing awkwardly. Bee-zar.

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TOPIC: ! Hollywood, The slave trade and the modern conscience
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/2f6589e038fc282d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:19 pm
From: Knowledge

The slave trade and the modern conscience
published: Sunday | December 10, 2006

Robert Buddan, Contributor

A Jamaican idea introduced by a CARICOM resolution was accepted by the
United Nations in December designating March 25, 2007, as a day to
commemorate the end of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade 200 years ago.

Jamaica's House of Representatives also passed a bill against
modern-day slavery or human trafficking this week after signing the
international protocol in 2002.

The U.N. Resolution was overwhelmingly adopted by 160 countries. The
countries of the formerly enslaved in Africa and the Caribbean, and
the former enslavers in Europe, joined in adopting it.

The countries hope to begin a process of acknowledgement, atonement,
healing and reconciliation. They hope to acknowledge that slavery was
a major cause of the social and economic inequality, bigotry, racism
and prejudice that affect people of African descent today. They hope
remedies, recourse, redress, and compensatory mechanisms will right
the historic wrongs. And, they hope that the slave trade and slavery
will be a part of people's education so that something so terrible
will never happen again.

The Jamaica National Bicentenary Committee will begin its own process
with a cultural rally at Emancipation Park on January 2, 2007.

The resolution and anticipation of it has scored two major successes.
The United Nations has overwhelmingly endorsed it. The Prime Minister
of Britain, Tony Blair, has admitted Britain's shameful role in it.
Before this (February this year) the Church of England had apologised
for its role in the slave trade acknowledging that the Church "was at
the heart of it." For those who think it is a thing of the past, the
Church of England reasoned that, "The body of Christ is not just a
body that exists at one time, it exists across history and we share
the shame and the sinfulness of our predecessors."

Tony Blair, however, has been criticised for stopping short of an
apology. There is clear difficulty in how Britain's powerful estates
.... Church, State, and Parliament ... handle guilt and
responsibility. The Church of England has acknowledged shame and
offered its apology. But it did not propose financial compensation.
Mr. Blair, leader of Parliament, has acknowledged shame but did not
offer an apology or compensation. In 2004, spokespersons for Queen
Elizabeth, Head of State, said that there was nothing to apologise
about since slavery was the law at the time.

Mr. Blair now says, to the embarrassment of royal conscience that, "It
is hard to believe that what would now be a crime against humanity was
legal at the time." The BBC will not shield the aristocracy either. It
reported that, "Today many of the great aristocratic families of
Britain have a hidden past in the slave trade."

LOVE OF MONEY

Why can't Britain's great estates come clean? The problem is, as it
was then, a failure of moral consistency and love of money. The U.K.'s
Guardian informed us in 2001 that 11 countries of the European Union
were willing to issue an apology for the slave trade. However,
Britain, Spain, Portugal and the Netherlands had blocked that
decision, preferring the softer word 'regret'. Concerns about money
topped morality. To declare that slavery and the slave trade were
crimes against humanity would expose those countries to claims for
reparations. Even an apology, Blair felt, might have led to calls for
reparations. The last leader of government (Bertrand Aristide) to have
demanded reparations (from France) was overthrown just two years ago
on the 200th anniversary of the revolution that abolished slavery in
Haiti. Overthrow was cheaper.

The 2001 World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination,
Xenophobia and Related Intolerance (the Durban Declaration) obligingly
refrained from using the word 'reparations'. It used words like
'remedies', 'redress', 'recourse', and 'compensatory mechanisms',
which could mean debt relief or trade concessions. The declaration
also left a loophole by not explicitly demanding an apology. The
slaver countries had threatened to walk out of the conference
otherwise. But the loophole left them the opportunity to engage these
other compensatory mechanisms.

Europe has not shown the courage to go this route, even though it can
well afford to, and is even morally obliged to provide compensatory
mechanisms. Europe's enrichment from the slave trade is no longer in
dispute. Tony Blair himself acknowledged the correctness of Eric
Williams' thesis that slavery was in part responsible for the wealth
of Europe and its industrial revolution.

MORAL INCONSISTENCY

Britain and Europe suffer from moral inconsistency. Even as Mr. Blair
was expressing shame over the slave trade he was unveiling a decision
to spend 20 billion pounds to update Britain's nuclear arsenal.
Critics in his own party remind him that nuclear deterrence is a relic
of Cold War policy and that the money could be better spent on new
crises like climate change and human trafficking. But the war against
terrorism is Blair's priority.

Indeed, Britain's policies towards Africa seem more interested in
containing terrorism than in investing in economic and human
development. Britain is also complicit in the inhumane secret jails
and detention without rights being pursued by the Bush administration.
Britain, the U.S. and Europe remain unconcerned about apartheid-like
conditions in the Israeli-occupied territories of Palestine, as
African states, and lately Jimmy Carter, have described these
conditions. It is difficult to understand the mindset that can
moralise about the shamefulness of the slave trade while stockpiling
enough nuclear warheads to blow us all to bits many times over, and
supporting apartheid, secret jails and torture.

A Time for Restitution

Which of Britain's estates can jump-start the country's conscience?
Does the Church of England have that influence? The Guardian reported
a Bishop as saying, "The profits from the slave trade were part of the
bedrock of our industrial development. No one who was involved in
running the business, financing it or benefiting from its products can
say they had clean hands." It continued: "We know that Bishops in the
House of Lords with biblical authority voted against the abolition of
the slave trade." We also know that the royal families of Europe
invested heavily in slave trading companies. The real problem these
estates face is moral failure.

So have economists and socio-logists. Adam Smith gave pride of place
to the free market for the industrial revolution. Max Weber said the
Puritan ethic was behind capitalist industrialisation. We had always
suspected that the free market had only succeeded on unfree labour and
that the Puritan ethic thrived on an impure morality.

Britain is consumed with doubts about its national character and finds
it difficult to admit to moral failure. Probably the churches of
Europe - the moral estates - should demand that their governments
apologise and make right for crimes against humanity. It is a grand
hope that the commemoration of the end of the slave trade might open
up a new restitutive moral order in international politics.

States and powerful institutions are being increasingly asked to right
the wrongs of genocide, slavery, dispossession of territory, enforced
prostitution, drug trafficking, theft, persecution, war, illegal
internment, torture, child labour, discriminatory trade, ill-treatment
of immigrants, and failure to help people in disaster. Is an apology
for the slave trade too much to start with?

Robert Buddan lectures in the Department of Government, UWI. Email:
Robert.Buddan@uwimona.edu.jm
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:30 pm
From: Rob Jensen

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:25:03 GMT, Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> wrote:

>In article <pnmmn2p2klp9dunlgfv87k5a1skfq3q9nq@4ax.com>,
> Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:51:27 GMT, Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <eled80$jvm$1@news.datemas.de>,
>> > "karl" <kona-karl@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I gave Ugly Betty a try when the Earl/Office eps were reruns. I wouldn't
>> >> call it bad. In fact ion many ways it was well done technically. The
>> >> problem
>> >> is the entire setting just didn't speak to me. It was like a biography of
>> >> someone that is very well written but who's life-story you care nothing
>> >> about.
>> >
>> >I like Salon.com's take on Ugly Betty as the only show now on television
>> >about the conflict between the working class and rich people. We used to
>> >have Roseanne covering that ground, but now Ugly Betty shows the
>> >contrasts week after week.
>>
>> And, as usual, Salon ignores that Gg has been treading the same ground
>> from the opposite direction for seven seasons now and that The OC has
>> always at least paid lip service to it. I like Salon and have been a
>> subscriber off and on for about five years now -- but their television
>> reviewers are *terrible,* particularly their sole writer assigned
>> specifically to the TV beat, the incoherent Heather Havrilesky.
>>
>> -- Rob
>
>Hasn't Gilmore Girls been canceled?

No. It's the CW's 2nd-highest rated scripted show (neck-and-neck with
Smallville). Most of the actors' contracts are up at the end of this
season, but that's SOP for any show that makes it to its seventh
season -- really, it ain't going anywhere.

>And "lip service" isn't anywhere
>near making class differences a central part of the show.

Class difference is more or less at the heart of The OC, even when the
show forgets it. Ryan is a character pulled "up" from the lower class
and adopted by an upper-class family. More often than not, the humor
in the show comes at the specific expense of the idiocy of upper-class
people in general -- the Cohens exempted. (Well, Sandy mostly
exempted because he comes from the same background as Ryan, BID.) The
show forgot its roots in class satire last season but seems to have
regained a bit of that this season with Ryan and Taylor's ingenious
Odd Couple romance. IMO, what Taylor has become may be exactly what
the show originally intended Marissa to be except that they figured
out too late that Barton can't act.

-- Rob
--
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It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:30 pm
From: Rob Jensen

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:04:32 -0500, "karl" <kona-karl@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> GG I've seen maybe 90 seconds of it so I can't say authoritatively but I
>thought it was a mother/daughter relationship show.

It is -- but it explores those relationships (not just between Lorelai
and Rory, but also between Lorelai and her mother Emily and between
Rory and Emily) through the ongoing exploration of Lorelai's rejection
of her metropolitan, upper-class upbringing in favor of a middle-class
small-town life. Lor's daughter, Rory is caught between Lorelai's
middle-class values and her grandparents' upper class (and
blindly-followed) traditions. It's a thesis-antithesis-synthesis
dialectic on class clashes through the medium of parent-child
relationships that way. Which is why the show's primary genre is
Comedy (or Dramedy) of Manners, not romantic comedy or soap opera or a
couple of other genres it's been misidentified as.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:42 pm
From: Knowledge

Unique National Book Award Honors Books that Celebrate Human Rights
and Social Justice
Posted on : Sun, 10 Dec 2016 05:03:00 GMT | Author : The Gustavus
Myers Center for the Study of Bigotry and Human Rights
News Category : PressRelease

BOSTON, Dec. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- In the only award of its kind, a
national center for the study of bigotry and human rights today (Human
Rights Day) named 10 new books as outstanding in showing the
possibility for social change and resiliency in the face of obstacles.

Full story at dink B-lo

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