Sunday, December 10, 2006

25 new messages in 16 topics - digest

alt.gossip.celebrities
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Today's topics:

* Ragheads Kicked Off Of Phoenix - Bound Flight... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/d86b6adac28d0166
* To whom do I complain about Mad TV's offensive portrayal of Dane Cook? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/148426e4dc0028d8
* George Carlin's Rules for 2007-Funny! - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/3fa5e342b80af9db
* I was actually embarassed for Gwen Stefani last night... - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/45f8916fd2353a1e
* James Kim: Fumbles, missteps hindered search - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/ccff19c1935fa216
* Nicolas Cage plans to cut back on acting - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/a26e083086c3b265
* OT: MUSIC music MUSIC music 0021275831620 - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/6a6e71b846aef253
* Actress Meredith Eaton's husband actor Michael Gilden founddead - 2 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/943ccbbcdb4042d
* Bush 41 Breakdown, wow - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/6d771c75809796ea
* Movement pumps up Jesus' manly side - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/504e60506a5abceb
* Should habitual felon "Dog" Chapman be jailed or not? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/5f7d7817e69e9e0a
* Next Top Model = torture of its contestants? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/a1c02656474c968e
* OT: Does anyone like "Mary, Did You Know?" Which version? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/58b696e909c77b43
* Apocalypto really sucked. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/f2f34db62327fd
* Winslet attacks 'size zero' trend - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/6db8990cc72350b1
* Doctor Phil, Prez Bush, Taylor Hicks, Corinne Bailey Rae in Washington
Christmas - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/8b2a039e23e56438

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TOPIC: Ragheads Kicked Off Of Phoenix - Bound Flight...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/d86b6adac28d0166
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 11 2006 4:28 am
From: DevilsPGD


In message <5vqon2hojmdi85os4h42bi3k3qndr5odf7@4ax.com> Sarah Czepiel
<ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:19:18 -0800, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost>
>wrote:
>
>:>Dear Sarah
>:>
>:>Have you seen this article?
>
>
>Dear Mike,
>
>Absence does not the heart grow fonder. Go obsess over Jessica
>Simpson.

And yet you still haven't addressed your obvious ignorance issue, having
had it highlighted (And by Mike Hunt, of all people)

--
They'll say, 'You can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny.'
I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.
See? Hey, why do you think they call him Porky?
-- George Carlin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 11 2006 3:52 pm
From: Dave Whitmarsh


sn Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:28:34 GMT, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:

>In message <5vqon2hojmdi85os4h42bi3k3qndr5odf7@4ax.com> Sarah Czepiel
><ninety7gt@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:19:18 -0800, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost>
>>wrote:
>>
>>:>Dear Sarah
>>:>
>>:>Have you seen this article?
>>
>>
>>Dear Mike,
>>
>>Absence does not the heart grow fonder. Go obsess over Jessica
>>Simpson.
>
>And yet you still haven't addressed your obvious ignorance issue, having
>had it highlighted (And by Mike Hunt, of all people)

She's a troll, Czepiel hasn't been near an airport since the 1950s


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TOPIC: To whom do I complain about Mad TV's offensive portrayal of Dane Cook?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/148426e4dc0028d8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 10:33 pm
From: trippy


In article <c1jpn25g0pe4jf16n5315bkeo5vq4f47lb@4ax.com>, SapperPest19
took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:05:50 GMT, JMiller <info@bigassbroadcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 10 Dec 2006 15:16:42 -0800, "Vince" <vince@writeme.com> wrote:
> >
> >>You've got to be kidding. Dane Cook is a great marketer but he can't
> >>even do Louis CK's material and make it work. He's just not funny and
> >>Lenny Bruce is rolling in his grave wondering how in the fuck this guy
> >>can even get stage time.
> >
> >I wouldn't say that. There were just as many shitty comedians who
> >were popular back in his day. That's how Lenny Bruce got so popular.
> >And that's why guys like Artie Lange are popular now. We need an
> >antidane and Artie is the Antidane.
>
> Artie may have his moments. I've only seen one of his stand up shows.
> He did some comedy and then has a therapy session on stage or
> something like that. I was less than entertained. I saw him that thing
> during the world series. Horrible. I remember him from Old School. Not
> a bad performance but considering the size of the role, that's not
> saying much. He seems to me to be a hack John Belushi with him
> appearance and his gravelly voice.

He's pretty golden on the Howards Stern Show. I think Dane Cook would
suck on Howard Stern's crew.

>
> >>DANE COOK IS NOT FUNNY....PERIOD.
> >
> >Agreed. That Tourgasm show was painful to watch unless Robert
> >What'shisname was on it.
>
> Robert Kelly. Or Bob Kelly as he is called on his frequent appearances
> on the O&A show.
>
> >>V.
> >>Offended by MadTV wrote:
> >>> Was that skit supposed to be funny? Because I sure the hell ain't
> >>> laughing. Pick on the top comic of this generation just because he's
> >>> hilarious and has a large fan base? Lenny Bruce must be rolling over in
> >>> his grave. Sam Kinison too.
> >>>
> >>> Shame on MadTV. Dane Cook is funnier than that whole cast put together.
> >>>
> >>> SUPER FINGER BABY!
>

--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "Heart And Soul" -- T'Pau

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"


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TOPIC: George Carlin's Rules for 2007-Funny!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/3fa5e342b80af9db
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 10:28 pm
From: witchyway@webtv.net (Witchy Way)


carlin isnt funny anymore. if you hear him on a talk show you will hear
how much he hates people. all people. he's a f*cking whack case

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 11 2006 4:45 am
From: "Kris Baker"

"LidsvilleNine" <LidsvilleNine@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1165810349.876771.178680@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Kris Baker wrote:
>> "LidsvilleNine" <LidsvilleNine@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1165802112.583966.98900@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Kris Baker wrote:
>> >> FERRANTE <ferrante276-ng@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> news:evron2lcvggoheud2d55b0hrq6e3i45e4e@4ax.com:
>> >> >
>> >> > New Rule: When I ask how old your toddler is, I don't need to
>> >> > know in months. "27 Months." "He's two," will do just fine.
>> >> > He's not a cheese. And I didn't really care in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> At least credit these lines to the person who created them:
>> >> Bill Maher. New Rules. Part of his weekly HBO show, and
>> >> I've heard him say them all.
>> >>
>> >> What made you decide they came from George Carlin?
>> >>
>> >> Kris
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info, Kris. I didn't think those were up to Carlin's
>> > standard. We'll know when they're from Carlin! But I admit I was
>> > worried.
>>
>> If you've heard Carlin lately, you'd realize that the insult was to
>> Maher. I'm afraid Dear George has turned into an angry,
>> bitter old man. Who isn't funny. It's sad.
>
> Wow. That's terrible to hear.I guess the writing was on the wall years
> ago when he started resorting to 10 minutes of stomach gurgles as part
> of his "comedy routine".
> Still, he had always been good with his lists and social comments.
> Sad.

He seems to be most unhappy since his (first) wife died, and then
had to go through rehab.

Kris
But I *always* watch him


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 11 2006 12:02 am
From:

"Witchy Way" <witchyway@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24988-457CDE66-1103@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net...
> carlin isnt funny anymore. if you hear him on a talk show you will hear
> how much he hates people. all people. he's a f*cking whack case
>

Agreed. Not funny or amusing in any sense. He's negative, angry, grim,
insulting, and condescending. I don't know what still attracts the public
to his appearances. You'd have to pay me to sit there.



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TOPIC: I was actually embarassed for Gwen Stefani last night...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/45f8916fd2353a1e
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:40 pm
From: "painter"

Krusty wrote:
> I kept rewinding that on my DVR this morning. It was like I
> accidentally recorded a train wreck and I just had to keep watching.
>
> Is there anyone who can remember a *worse* performance by a musical
> guest on SNL in recent memory?

I was more embarrased for Annette Benning. She did nothing but read off
the cue cards and made every skit she was in a real chore to watch. She
never took her eyes off those cue cards, Really piss poor work.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 9:09 pm
From: "katorzejames"


> > I don't think she's black enough to pull that off. I know what she was
> > trying for, but that was just bad.
>
> I don't think anyone has to be "black" to perform a song that samples
> The Sound of Music. You can't get much whiter than that!

this "brandy alexander" has a bit of a cognitive disorder where
Blackness is concerned.
she projects her own self-loathing onto Our culture and she's really
the usenet girl trent lott.
(without the power or the influence).
you could look it up, but she *has* thrown some roadblocks up to mask
the scent of her psychic ugliness.
deep down, she's ashamed of herself and her views and that's why she
blocks her posts from being archived on google.
i couldn't care less about her impenetrable flame wars or her storied
"sexuality".
don't tell me i'm obsessed with 'race", cause i didn't bring it up.


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TOPIC: James Kim: Fumbles, missteps hindered search
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/ccff19c1935fa216
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:45 pm
From: "CliffB"

Zeb Quinn wrote:
> On a very basic level the real problem was their unfamiliarity with the
> geography, and their very first decision which was to go the way they
> chose to go. The Oregon coast range is treachorous during winter
> months when being pounded by Pacific storms. No one who is at all
> familiar with the coast range would ever journey to the coast over a
> logging road. You can get stuck even on the major highways to the
> coast during one of these storms. But at least those routes are
> well-travelled and you won't be stranded for long. On that remote
> logging road they never had a chance, and it was a horrendusly bad
> decision to go that way. Apparently they didn't know better. They
> hadn't a clue what they were getting themselves into.

Especially a tech nerd who left his GPS toy back in Sunnyvale or
wherever.


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TOPIC: Nicolas Cage plans to cut back on acting
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/a26e083086c3b265
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:46 pm
From: "USA1st"

edonline wrote:
> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/16208189.htm
>
> Posted on Sun, Dec. 10, 2006
>
> Nicolas Cage plans to cut back on acting
>
> Associated Press
>
> NASSAU, Bahamas - After more than 55 films, Nicolas Cage plans to cut
> back on acting to pursue other interests, such as helping develop
> independent cinema in his new home of the Bahamas.
>
> "I'm thinking about taking more time in between movies," the Oscar
> winner told The Associated Press backstage at the third annual Bahamas
> International Film Festival.


I thought he already had cut back...has he had a movie lately??

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:59 pm
From: "TribuneofRome"

edonline wrote:
> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/16208189.htm
>
> Posted on Sun, Dec. 10, 2006
>
> Nicolas Cage plans to cut back on acting
>
> Associated Press
>
> NASSAU, Bahamas - After more than 55 films, Nicolas Cage plans to cut
> back on acting to pursue other interests, such as helping develop
> independent cinema in his new home of the Bahamas.
>
> "I'm thinking about taking more time in between movies," the Oscar
> winner told The Associated Press backstage at the third annual Bahamas
> International Film Festival.
>
> "I feel I've made a lot of movies already and I want to start
> exploring other opportunities that I can apply myself to, whether it's
> writing or other interests that I may develop," he said.
>
> Cage was in Nassau late Friday to receive the Chopard Award for career
> achievement. Fellow actor Sean Connery, Cage's co-star in the 1996
> thriller "The Rock," presented the award at the Atlantis Theater in
> Paradise Island.
>
> "Nic is a professional and brings to the table all the stuff that
> makes it a real joy," Connery said.
>
> Cage, who won a best-actor Oscar for 1995's "Leaving Las Vegas," owns
> a house in Paradise Island and bought an undeveloped private island in
> the Exuma Cays this year.
>
> He said he hopes the film festival continues to grow. Some 50
> narrative, documentary and short films from around the world are being
> showcased during the four-day festival, which began Thursday.

______________________________________________________
No big loss.


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TOPIC: OT: MUSIC music MUSIC music 0021275831620
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/6a6e71b846aef253
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:47 pm
From: "aint that something"


Its a cool concert video of Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of
Dreams.


aint that something wrote:
> Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new DVD of the
> Depot
> Theater featuring Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams
> performing "FlapJacks From The Sky"

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:51 pm
From: "aint that something"


Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new blend of
coffee they are selling at shows and on line. Gandalf Murphy and The
Slambovian Circus of Dreams has some other cool things to check out.

> Its a cool concert video of Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of
> Dreams.
>
>
> aint that something wrote:
> > Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new DVD of the
> > Depot
> > Theater featuring Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams
> > performing "FlapJacks From The Sky"

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:53 pm
From: "aint that something"


That's a good cup of coffee I had when I drank the same kind of
coffee as Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams.


aint that something wrote:
Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new blend of
coffee they are selling at shows and on line. Gandalf Murphy and The
Slambovian Circus of Dreams has some other cool things to check out.
>
>
>
> > Its a cool concert video of Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of
> > Dreams.
> >
> >
> > aint that something wrote:
> > > Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new DVD of the
> > > Depot
> > > Theater featuring Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams
> > > performing "FlapJacks From The Sky"

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:56 pm
From: shonuff@arczip.com


Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams check them out. I
know I will!


aint that something wrote:
That's a good cup of coffee I had when I drank the same kind of
coffee as Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams.
>
>
> aint that something wrote:
> Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new blend of
> coffee they are selling at shows and on line. Gandalf Murphy and The
> Slambovian Circus of Dreams has some other cool things to check out.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Its a cool concert video of Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of
> > > Dreams.
> > >
> > >
> > > aint that something wrote:
> > > > Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams has a new DVD of the
> > > > Depot
> > > > Theater featuring Gandalf Murphy and The Slambovian Circus of Dreams
> > > > performing "FlapJacks From The Sky"


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TOPIC: Actress Meredith Eaton's husband actor Michael Gilden founddead
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/943ccbbcdb4042d
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:50 pm
From: "mc"

groupsrgreat@yahoo.com wrote:
> I assure you the story is not bogus. Meredith is a friend and I was at
> the funeral today

God, that had to be the saddest day. :(

mc


>
> On Dec 10, 6:49 pm, "It's the Principle!"
> <brandy...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
> > mc <mcsquare...@netzero.net> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Reality Check wrote:
> > >> On 10 Dec 2006 10:24:14 -0800, "LK" <brdzrb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> >Reality Check wrote:
> >
> > >> >> Not really - she *is* a dwarf.
> >
> > >> >> From an answer to a question on
> > >> >>http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2006/10/the_strange_cas.html:
> >
> > >> >> "...Meredith (who is a friend of mine), is an actual dwarf -
> > >> >> she is 4' 3" ... and one hell of an actress - check out the
> > >> >> movie 'Unconditional Love,' which she totally steals from
> > >> >> Kathy Bates and Rupert Everett. There are many different forms
> > >> >> of dwarfism; and in Meredith's case her head and face are
> > >> >> indeed of 'average' size."
> >
> > >> >She's a terrific actress ... how terrible this must be for her
> > >> >...
> >
> > >> Are we sure it's true? I can't find anything online about it at
> > >> all.
> >
> > > Someone already posted the wikipedia article. Why wouldn't it be
> > > true btw?
> >
> > > mcBecause Wiki is a popular dumping ground for vendettas since anyone can
> > edit articles. If the story exists no other place but there, and so
> > far it looks that way, it's bogus.
> >
> > --
> > Brandy Alexandre
> >
> > --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 11 2006 4:46 am
From: "It's the Principle!"


<groupsrgreat@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:

>
> I assure you the story is not bogus. Meredith is a friend and I
> was at the funeral today
>

And you are??? Not even LA Times had a blip. Be a pal and scan the
memory card for us. She's a friend. Surely she has one if you threw
away yours.

--
Brandy Alexandre

--Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=


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TOPIC: Bush 41 Breakdown, wow
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/6d771c75809796ea
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:53 pm
From: jjj_soper@hotmail.com

gaffo wrote:
> jjj_soper@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> > Some economists even say Sr's tax increase started the ball rolling
> > for the boom during the Clinton years (that may be a stretch). If
> > nothing else, he resigned his NRA membership in protest.
>
> I remember that now, forget why.
>
> do you remember why he did this? - school shootings?
I'm think it was that congress was going to outlaw some type of ammo or
rifle designed for penetrating bullet-proof vests and the NRA was
strongly protesting, even though no one should need such hardware for a
valid reason.
If I might have any details wrong, feel free to correct me someone.


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TOPIC: Movement pumps up Jesus' manly side
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/504e60506a5abceb
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 8:55 pm
From: "katorzejames"


> Forget the yin and the yang
>
> I'll take the boom and the bang....
>
> Don't need in touch with my feminine side!
>
> All I want is my testosterone high.

Stine asks the men:
> "Are you ready to grab your sword and say, 'OK, family, I'm going to
> lead you?' " He also distributes a list of a real man's rules for his
> woman. No. 1: "Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If
> it's up, put it down."

> A few weeks later, Stephenson, 43, is still not sold on profanity. But
> he has ditched the nice-guy reflex of always turning the other cheek.
> When he spots a Wal-Mart clerk writing "Happy Holidays" on a window,
> he boldly complains: It should say "Merry Christmas."
>
> The clerk erases the offending greeting. Chalk one up for Christian
> testosterone.
>
> "I wouldn't have done that before," Stephenson says proudly. "I am no
> longer a doormat."

> "We want to force you out of the safe places that have passed for
> spirituality," Stine says. "Maybe worship could be hanging out with a
> bunch of guys, admitting we like blowing crap up."

> "It's testosterone-friendly," says Rick Caldwell, global director of
> the program. He urges chapter leaders to have NFL bloopers on the big
> screen when the men come in, and oldies or country-western on the
> radio. "No opening prayer. And for heaven's sakes, don't ask the guys
> to take the hand of the guys next to them. That scares them to death."
>
> Leaders don't even bring out the Bible until they're well into the
> curriculum; instead, they teach ideals of Christian manhood through
> Steve Martin movies and clips from "Braveheart."
>
> "Do not think Sunday morning worship," Caldwell says. "Think Saturday
> afternoon tailgate."


...there are no words.
what a load of absolute corny trash.
lord forgive them, for they know not what they do...

>
> *


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TOPIC: Should habitual felon "Dog" Chapman be jailed or not?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/5f7d7817e69e9e0a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 9:00 pm
From: "USA1st"


=> Vox Populi© wrote:
> Mitch wrote:
> > In article <D6-dnfFEiIV7k-bYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com>, ellis_jay
> > <ellis_jay@firstbase.coma> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> These guys seem to be spouting off without thinking about it.
> >>>>> I don't know why they think this is such a big crime.
> >>
> >> Kidnapping. Think about it.
>
> > I'm not ignoring it -- but deciding anything based on that term is
> > silly.
>
> Sez you, the ignorant criminal-apoligist who can't even
> figure out how to use a line-break when replying to a message.
>
> > We don't have to ignore context. We don't have to ignore any
> > other aspect of the incident. In many respects, it was a capture of a
> > felon.
>
> Which, in Mexico and depending on circumstance in the U$A too,
> is kidnapping.
>
> Olliver North, John Hull and other criminals from the Iran/Contra crew
> are wanted, indicted felons by the Gov't of Costa Rica for crimes they
> commited in Costa Rica. So you have no problem with a private
> citizen, Costa Rican or other, capturing and dragging Ollie and crew
> from their homes in the U$$A and forcibly rendering them to
> Costa Rica to face justice there, eh?
>
> And those Costa Rican bounty hunters, if caught in the act by U$
> police, shouldn't be prosecuted, just a small fine, etc, etc...
>
>
> >
> >> To "be" a felon a trial and conviction must first occur. It isn't
> >> the other way around. Isn't it like that in your world too?
>
> > This isn't a courtroom. We can make the leap to say that since he
> > wasn't allowed to leave the country and he did in fact leave the
> > country, that he is guilty of that. The courts may have to go that
> > extra step, but we don't have to argue that he is innocent.
>
> Are you talking about Luster? IIRC he was convicted, in partial
> absentia, having fled after his trial had started.
>
>
> >
> >>> He became a felon by leaving the state and country (any time) after
> >>> his indictment.
> >>
> >> I would not think that is so. The indictment would not matter would
> >> it?
>
> > The indictment is the specific statement of the court that this person
> > is being charged with a specific crime. Until it happens, he is just
> > being held for investigation, and there are limits to that.
>
> Luster was indicted, tried and convicted. He fled during the final
> days of his trial, which continued without his presense and rendered
> a guilty verdict, IIRC.
>
> >
> >> Only failure to appear and jumping bond would insure that he was
> >> (the perp) fleeing prosecution-not just leaving after indictment.
>
> > Well, no -- fleeing does not 'insure' anything except he doesn't want
> > to go to trial. Lots of innnocent people run from prosecution.
>
> Yep, and in many jurisdictions, actual innocense isn't a defense
> for jumping bail, fleeing, or violating other orders of the court.
>
> >
> >> One could leave
> >> after being indicted and return for trial, right?
>
> > No, being released after the indictment still requires him to stay in
> > that state and, obviously, the country. He has an obligation to be
> > present at the trial, and he may not flee prosecution.
>
> Correct.
>
>
> >
> >>> But I don't think it has to be kidnapping,
> >>
> >> Sounds like it to me. The guy is probably a dirt bag and deserves
> >> jail, but laying hands on another and forcibly moving their body
> >> from point A to Point B against their will sounds like kidnapping
> >> to me.
>
> > Sure it is -- if you only know that much. But we know more about the
> > situation, and we have NO reason to ignore that additional info in
> > making any statement about it. No court would ignore it.
>
> The Mexican court won't ignore it either, yet Duane Dogface Chapman
> was WARNED by the Mexican authorities to NOT engage in the
> actual capture of Luster, that it was illegal in Mexico to do so,
> and the Habitual Felon Chapman deliberatly IGNORED the Mexican
> Gov't and went ahead and kidnapped Luster anyway and refused to
> turn him over to the proper Mexican authorities for a proper
> extradition to the U$$A.
>
>
> >
> >> And Dog violated a sovereign nation's laws
> >> and, you know, the Mexican authorites had every right to shoot him
> >> while performing the act.
>
> > Shoot him? Arrest and detain, and jail him, but no, even in Mexico
> > they wouldn't have reason to shoot anyone!
>
> LOL! ... you really have no fuckin' clue about Mexico, do you?
>
>
> >
> >> Once he crossed over he is just another Joe Blow.
>
> > Yes; but the person he was taking was someone Mexico may have
> > cooperated to capture.
>
> Yep, under THEIR due process, laws and rules. Not the habitual felon
> Dogface Chapman.
>
> > That is my point - he wasn't taking a random
> > person, or starting a ransom scheme.
>
> He was ransoming Luster, that's the ENTIRE POINT, and the
> entire reason why the Habitual Felon Chapman ignored the Mexican
> Gov't and kidnapped Luster on his own -- Chapman wanted the reward $$ !
>
>
> > It was someone the US authorities
> > wanted and he didn't have Mexican authority -- but it isn't correct to
> > say he wouldn't have had it.
>
> Why do you lie and simply fabraicate bullshit? Chapman would
> NEVER have the authority to capture ANYONE in Mexico,
> as PRIVATE BOUNTY HUNTING is ILLEGAL in Mexico.
>
> Got it?
>
>
> >That is what Mexico has to decide now.
> >
> >>> since there is a very serious
> >>> international flight issue that the US would have certainly
> >>> cooperated over (and they did, in fact).
> >>
> >> We have extradition treaties with Mexico now? When did that happen?
>
> > No, I didn't say treaty. But we have a very well-established
> > cooperation with Mexico, and they have a very serious interest in
> > cooperating in many situations. The 19th century is long past.
> >
> >>>>> All Chapman did was capture the guy in the wrong place.
> >>
> >> Yeah. Across some border somewhere. Without legal papers. He broke
> >> Mexican law to save his bonding agent money. Lots of people break
> >> laws for money. Bank robbers, insurance scammers, bad folk of all
> >> sort. You trying to tell me that only good guys are allowed to
> >> break laws?
>
> > Boy, you are really taking this to the extremes to avoid the facts.
>
> It is you who avoids the facts and fabricates nonsense.
>
> The habitual felon Dogface Chapman DELIBERATELY broke Mexican Law.
> Private Bounty Hunting is ILLEGAL in Mexico.
> Chapman was WARNED by the Mexican authorities and still ignored them.
> Chapman's motivation was financial, fame and the large $$ reward for Luster.

Yes..for being the biggest redneck on TV.


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TOPIC: Next Top Model = torture of its contestants?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:05 pm
From: trippy


In article <ileneb-2DC501.11093405122006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Ilene Bilenky took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said
"Oh Wow"...

> In article <bm5bn2tiiq95knea6efupd6l8nte251rdn@4ax.com>,
> Barnabas Collins <BarnabasCollinsonSF@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is scary about that is I know too many elderly who had a touch of
> > frostbite years ago,
>
> Hypothermia and frostbite are two completely different things. In
> frostbite, the tissues actually freeze, which wouldn't happen in the
> water unless the water was ice.
>
> Hypothermia is when the body's core temperature goes too low. It can
> happen from being wet in weather that isn't that cold. In movies, when
> people who are rescued from cold water have a blanket thrown around them
> in their wet clothes, I wonder if that does any good. The cold wet
> clothes lower the body core temperature. They really must be removed to
> re-warm the person.

They actually trap heat that your body puts out. If you're in wet
clothes and out in the woods, keep them on. Having bare skin against the
elements is far worse. Take off your clothes and start building the
fire, you'll die before you ever build the fire.

>
> I think the swimming pool water in the TV show was colder than simply
> not being heated. Of course, having little body fat makes people more
> vulnerable to hypothermia
>
> Ilene B
>

--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM

NP: "Heart And Soul" -- T'Pau

"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."

-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"


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TOPIC: OT: Does anyone like "Mary, Did You Know?" Which version?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/58b696e909c77b43
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 9:05 pm
From: "USA1st"

moor4mee@yahoo.com wrote:
> It's the Principle! wrote:
> >
> > I think we gravitate to the songs we heard growing up and those
> > versions. My two favorite Christmas albums ever were Andy Williams and
> > Jim Nabors. Nabors' version of Did You Hear What I Hear sounds dated,
> > but it's great! I love it. :)
> >
> > BTW, I'm downloading several versions of Mary Did You Know and I'll
> > offer a judgment later.
> >
> > --
>
> I'm surprised I'm apparently the only person (among those who've
> bothered to check the thread, anyway) who gags at Mary Did You Know. I
> assumed since I first heard it that it would be widely despised,
> although it's obviously popular with some.
>
> But you just took away my supposed reason for loathing Mary Did You
> Know (way too sentimental), because you reminded me that I love Do You
> Hear What I Hear, and you can't get much more sentimental than that.
> Well, I guess The Drummer Boy is more sentimental than both, and I kind
> of like it, too, in an embarrassed way.
>
> I think Andy Williams sung the Do You Hear What I Hear that I grew up
> with. It was on a Firestone album I believe!
>
> And so from now on I guess my hatred for Mary Did You Know will have to
> go unexplained.
>
> Eliza (favorite Christmas song: O Holy Night. Not sure what version;
> they're an awful lot of great ones out there.)

O Holy Night is probably the most beautiful of all Christmas songs...I
agree with you there.


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TOPIC: Apocalypto really sucked.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/f2f34db62327fd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:06 pm
From: Bill Anderson


Karl S wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:52:09 GMT, PorchMonkey4Life wrote:
>
>> Mel was drunk when he made this. What would possess this guy to make a
>> film about Amazon savages.
>
> The Maya lived in Mexico and Central America. The Amazon is in South
> America.

Actually, Amazons were said to have lived in Pontus, which is part of
modern day Turkey. :-)

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog


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TOPIC: Winslet attacks 'size zero' trend
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/6db8990cc72350b1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 9:06 pm
From: "TribuneofRome"

Agent Smith wrote:
> edonline <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:8pion2lquj8nmm0mupu1fiqe9m3dtk7qca@4ax.com:
>
> > Winslet attacks 'size zero' trend ...
>
> ... but leaves untouched the 'show your goods' trend.
_______________________________________________________
Kate is homely and an average actress so who cares what she says.


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TOPIC: Doctor Phil, Prez Bush, Taylor Hicks, Corinne Bailey Rae in Washington
Christmas
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/8b2a039e23e56438
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 10 2006 9:13 pm
From: "CliffB"


Bushes join 'Dr. Phil' at Christmas show

By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer Sun Dec 10, 8:05 PM ET

WASHINGTON - President Bush enjoyed a lively set of Christmas music
Sunday night, swaying and bobbing his head as music stars like Taylor
Hicks and Gretchen Wilson belted out classic carols.


TV host "Dr. Phil" McGraw and his wife, Robin, emceed the annual
"Christmas in Washington" concert at the National Building Museum. The
event benefited the Children's National Medical Center.

"Since this event began a quarter of a century ago, 'Christmas in
Washington' has become one of the most cherished holiday traditions
here in our nation's capital," Bush said.

As Americans gather with their families over the holidays, Bush said,
U.S. troops abroad "must know that our nation is grateful for your
service."

"American Idol" winner Hicks led off the show with "Santa Claus Is
Coming to Town." Country singer Wilson performed "I Saw Mommy Kissing
Santa Claus," while 12-year-old "America's Got Talent" champ Bianca
Ryan sang "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas." Pop-opera quartet
Il Divo performed "White Christmas." The lineup also included soul
singers Chris Brown and Corinne Bailey Rae.

The president and first lady Laura Bush joined all the performers
onstage for the finale, including "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing."

The event will air Wednesday night on Turner Network Television.

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