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TOPIC: Auction!
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 1:20 am
From: "Cecilia"

> I've been purchased.
> By a member of the newsgroup!
>
> I'll leave it for that member to say who it is and I'll do a little report
> after that.
>
> Tobie

*very happy smile*

I was the winning bidder. Tobie looked relieved.
Then she looked curious when she asked what I would do to her.
Then she looked very nervous when I said that I was going to poll ssbb for
ideas.

*huge grin*

Any suggestions?

Cecilia

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 9:52 am
From: "Brian G $Upstairs$"

Now obviously, we won't see any follow ups here because.

A most will want to let you know in secret..
B Those who know you both will feel somehow awkward suggesting ways to
hurt heTobie in public.

As for myself, well, I'm a terrible voyeur....:-)

Brian

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 2:12 am
From: Troia

Cecilia wrote:
>> I've been purchased.
>> By a member of the newsgroup!
>>
>> I'll leave it for that member to say who it is and I'll do a little report
>> after that.
>>
>> Tobie
>
>
> *very happy smile*
>
> I was the winning bidder. Tobie looked relieved.
> Then she looked curious when she asked what I would do to her.
> Then she looked very nervous when I said that I was going to poll ssbb for
> ideas.
>
> *huge grin*
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cecilia
>
>
I was thinking it had to be either you or Bladerunner! And then I
emailed Tobie and teased her that I'd love to watch. *g*

So IIRC you like thud, and it seems to me that Tobie likes thud, so ...
she could have a taste of her own toys, perhaps? That bamboo type cane
seems like one, the one that has the sort of segments all the way up.
Hmmm, and she's so fond of that twisty acrylic thing, shouldn't she try
that?

But I'm going to guess that a good flogger would be truly enjoyable for
both of you.

Gee, maybe you could work Phillip into the scene too? Not as a bottom
taking strokes, but just to distract Tobie in the nice way, perhaps just
playing with his wabbly bits while she takes it.

Or is that too mean, or out of context?

I'm still working on the whole thought of Tobie bottoming, though; I
have a feeling she's going to be trying to run the show!

-- Troia

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 2:37 am
From: Troia

Brian G (Upstairs) wrote:
> Now obviously, we won't see any follow ups here because.
>
> A most will want to let you know in secret..
> B Those who know you both will feel somehow awkward suggesting ways to
> hurt heTobie in public.
>
> As for myself, well, I'm a terrible voyeur....:-)
>
> Brian
>

Heh. I know them both (albeit not as well as I might like).

I feel no reserve about suggesting ways to hurt her in public; they
will both enjoy it immensely, I think.

Mosty, I wish I had better ideas!

-- Troia

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 1:01 pm
From: "Von"

Cecilia wrote:
> *very happy smile*
>
> I was the winning bidder. Tobie looked relieved.
> Then she looked curious when she asked what I would do to her.
> Then she looked very nervous when I said that I was going to poll ssbb for
> ideas.

Ideas, ideas.... Oh, yes, I have ideas. There is almost always
another idea knocking about in the back of my head. The difficulty
is that I am too far removed to feel at ease in voicing them, even
though I have read Tobie's scene reports and believe I know just a
bit about what might get to her.

Far better to consult with Philip, it seems to me. But it is
_tempting_ to think of suggesting that you could....

No, I should not say more; others doubtless will have many
ideas to share. Just have fun!

--
Von

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:25 am
From: Avraham

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:12:28 -0800, Troia
<troia.legata@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:

>Cecilia wrote:
>>> I've been purchased.
>>> By a member of the newsgroup!
>>>
>>> I'll leave it for that member to say who it is and I'll do a little report
>>> after that.
>>>
>>> Tobie
>>
>>
>> *very happy smile*
>>
>> I was the winning bidder. Tobie looked relieved.
>> Then she looked curious when she asked what I would do to her.
>> Then she looked very nervous when I said that I was going to poll ssbb for
>> ideas.
>>
>> *huge grin*
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Cecilia
>>
>>
>I was thinking it had to be either you or Bladerunner! And then I
>emailed Tobie and teased her that I'd love to watch. *g*
>
>So IIRC you like thud, and it seems to me that Tobie likes thud, so ...
>she could have a taste of her own toys, perhaps? That bamboo type cane
>seems like one, the one that has the sort of segments all the way up.
>Hmmm, and she's so fond of that twisty acrylic thing, shouldn't she try
>that?
>
>But I'm going to guess that a good flogger would be truly enjoyable for
>both of you.
>
>Gee, maybe you could work Phillip into the scene too? Not as a bottom
>taking strokes, but just to distract Tobie in the nice way, perhaps just
>playing with his wabbly bits while she takes it.
>
>Or is that too mean, or out of context?
>
>I'm still working on the whole thought of Tobie bottoming, though; I
>have a feeling she's going to be trying to run the show!
>
>-- Troia
Or perhaps Phillip should be distracting by playing with HER wabbly
bits? <EG>
A

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 5:50 am
From: "Bladerunner"

Cecilia wrote:

>Tobie wrote:
>
> > I've been purchased.
> > By a member of the newsgroup!
>
> > I'll leave it for that member to say who it is and I'll do a little report
> > after that.
>
> > Tobie*very happy smile*
>
> I was the winning bidder. Tobie looked relieved.
> Then she looked curious when she asked what I would do to her.
> Then she looked very nervous when I said that I was going to poll ssbb for
> ideas.
>
> *huge grin*
>
> Any suggestions?

Cecilia ~

As some of us were willing to buy her by committee (we had at least
three of us pooling our money), perhaps we should torture her by
committee as well. You know, share her around a bit.

My daddy is looking for a pincushion, and I don't do needles, so
borrowing Tobie could work out for us quite nicely.

(Tobie looked more than slightly panicked when, as her auction
description was being read, I said, very loudly from across the room,
"Daddy, will you buy me the pretty girl *pleeeeeeze!*)

Bladerunner
who also has no problems being suggestive... er, suggesting things in
public

SSBB Diplomatic & Tobie-Torture Corps: Portland, OR

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:12 am
From: Tobie

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:20:47 -0800, "Cecilia" <CW@someotherplace.com>
wrote:

>*very happy smile*
>
>I was the winning bidder. Tobie looked relieved.

I really did not expect you to do that. When you said you were going
to bid, I thought, Ohhh, how sweet!
I didn't think, Ohhh She'd like to beat me! *laughing*

Although, at this point I have no idea if beating is on the agenda,
I've never seen you top!

And I was quite relieved. I really did want it to be someone that I
knew. Your smile was so warm,so kind..and then I thought of
myself..HEY! I do that, right before I *hurt* someone! HA!

>Then she looked curious when she asked what I would do to her.
>Then she looked very nervous when I said that I was going to poll ssbb for
>ideas.
>
>*huge grin*
>
>Any suggestions?

*snarfle*
This is going to be fun.

I told myself that if the winning bid was over $50, and if I knew the
person and liked them, I'd let them go to safeout if they wished so
I'll grant you that, if you want it.
There have been requests for you to do this in public as there are a
few who'd like to watch but that's up to you. It's your prize lady, do
with it as you will!

Tobie
The Dip in the Dip Corps
SSBB Diplomatic Corps
Portland Oregon

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:15 am
From: Tobie

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:52:35 GMT, "Brian G $Upstairs$"
<mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>Now obviously, we won't see any follow ups here because.

Naw! We'll find ways to share *laughing*
>
>A most will want to let you know in secret..

That part doesn't bother me, she'll probably just say that X, Y, Z was
suggested in private and bring it here any way. It's all too much fun
to pass up!

>B Those who know you both will feel somehow awkward suggesting ways to
>hurt heTobie in public.

NAW! Go for it! She doesn't have to take everysuggestion, butit's a
hoot to see what folks would come up with!
>
>As for myself, well, I'm a terrible voyeur....:-)

*grin*

Tobie
The Dip in the Dip Corps
SSBB Diplomatic Corps
Portland Oregon

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TOPIC: Looking for fem to train my fem pet
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 9:38 am
From: "Brian G $Upstairs$"

To do what exactly?

Brian

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 9:38 am
From: "Brian G $Upstairs$"

Its called Outsourcing I think.

Brian

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TOPIC: TPE/ Lifestyle D/s
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 4:45 am
From: Fnerd Furpet

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:06:10 -0500, I imagined I heard TyMeDwn1st say:

> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:47:21 -0500, fnordikins <fnordikins@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>"Christian subbie" is an anagram for "his scabbier unit" "use rabbinic
>> shit" "hi crisis nut babe" "rabbit chin issue" "ethic barb is in us"
>> "hires incubi bats" "I bruise bat chins" "tabu bi crisis hen", and many
>> others.
>
> Are we taking a vote on how to refer to her? My choice would be "his
> scabbier unit."

Not having seen the OP, and only having one set of permanent 'ignore'
items in my scorefile, I presume this is yet another name for SWMNBN.
Given that, I suspect "Hi crisis nut babe" is expressively accurate.

--
Fnerd. Yeah, I got called an F...ing Nerd.
Fnerd_furpet - Remove my blindfold to reply.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 2:35 am
From: Troia

Fnerd Furpet wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:06:10 -0500, I imagined I heard TyMeDwn1st say:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:47:21 -0500, fnordikins <fnordikins@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Christian subbie" is an anagram for "his scabbier unit" "use rabbinic
>>> shit" "hi crisis nut babe" "rabbit chin issue" "ethic barb is in us"
>>> "hires incubi bats" "I bruise bat chins" "tabu bi crisis hen", and many
>>> others.
>> Are we taking a vote on how to refer to her? My choice would be "his
>> scabbier unit."
>
> Not having seen the OP, and only having one set of permanent 'ignore'
> items in my scorefile, I presume this is yet another name for SWMNBN.
> Given that, I suspect "Hi crisis nut babe" is expressively accurate.
>

I've done it the lazy way, but:

It's a chubbier sin (or 'tis instead of its)

Is a chubbier snit

Brats bi incise uh?

A rubbish since it

Its urchin babe, is!

A bib incest uh sir

A bib cries tush in

A bib cries shit, nu?

A bi bitch user sin

Is a bitchier snub

Birches us in bait

Is a butch bi siren

OK, there's more, says the lazy girl, but you get the idea.

-- Troia

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TOPIC: Nondefined structure
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 9:50 am
From: "Brian G $Upstairs$"

Do you perhaps think that our brains kind of need a tag to hang things on
for memory or something. Some say, if you can define something exactly, all
the fun goes out of it.

Brian

--
___________________________________________________________________________
I hope I grow on you....
I'm a Fungi!!!
Blind User, no pictures please!
mildew_spores@blueyonder.co.uk
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"Tobie" <miztee1958@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8lsn29kduedv06m1cj9671tuf4c1dqqhb@4ax.com...
>A couple of folks were chatting with Philip this evening about our
> relationship. They were wanting him to define it for them.
> Just about all he could do was assert that he wasn't a slave, and he
> wasn't owned.
> We've never tried to define it in current yet ever changing kink terms
> to fit the masses. He submits to me. He can say no if he wants to.
> I'll generally do what I want to do any way, and he'll generally
> say...see what saying no got me?
> I listen to tone of course.
> I watch his eyes and for his own small signs of personal discomfort
> with a given situation.
>
> I try to be reasonable, unless I'm playing SDS on him.
> He's got the option of opting out of anything at any time, all he has
> to do is safeout.
> I say he's mine, he says he's mine, past that there is no set
> structure or protocol. It just doesn't seem to be needed.
>
> Tobie
> The Dip in the Dip Corps
> SSBB Diplomatic Corps
> Portland Oregon

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TOPIC: Defining Abuse in Absolute and Total Power Exchange
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 11:23 am
From: Dag

Christian subbie wrote:

>> I will go as far as to suggest that anyone who would willingly
>> enslave themselves without any way of getting out of it, in todays
>> society, has mental problems, and no one should agree to take on such
>> a person as their slave.

> So do you think that all married people "has mental problems" (sic)?

As you yourself have proved, it is quite possible (and in fact quite
easy) to get out of a marriage.

Also there is absolutely nothing slave like about marriage, so the point
is moot either way.

Dag

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 11:01 am
From: "H Duffy"

"Christian subbie" <amkemail2006-bdsm@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:457E4462.5060702@yahoo.nospam.com...
> Lynn wrote:
>> Christian subbie wrote:
>> If marriage is a kink,
> Correction, my relationship is, it looks like marriage to you.

Y'know, it really doesn't. Like, in a marriage, generally both partners have
to consent, whereas in your "relationship", your "dom" doesn't even know
that you're having these fantasies about him, and certainly hasn't consented
to be part of them. That's not at _all_ like marriage.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 11:04 am
From: "H Duffy"

"Christian subbie" <amkemail2006-bdsm@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pEsfh.11233$wc5.2588@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> M. Shirley Chong wrote:
>> Without ongoing consent, the top (master, dominant or whatever) is
>> running a huge legal risk, at least here in the US. So I think that both
>> people in a relationship that has no agreed upon way to end it would
>> probably be certifiable.
>
> Marriage is entered into for life, with no thought for ending it.

Says the divorcee...

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Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 3:24 am
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 1:09 pm
From: "Von"

Brian Downstairs wrote:
> The problem with snips is the blade spacing. when cutting metal,
> thestiffness makes it work, but with nylon, it just bends and stretches and
> gets between the blades jamming them up.

Sort of like that, yes. Just another example of insufficient
forethought and testing on my part, actually. I should have found
an identical belt and tried to cut it beforehand.

But as long as one does not get too serious, and can laugh
at the things gone wrong, it is okay.

--
Von

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 1:27 pm
From: "Von"

fnordikins wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:56:10 +0100, Von wrote:

>> Right she was. And we both laughed ourselves crazy.
>
>
> Maybe not. I read an allegedly true story once about a real rapist who
> enjoyed using scissors to cut his victim's underwear off.

We definitely laughed very hard. Her laughter was quite
contagious. And maybe I am a bit of a crazy, too.

If I went out as a criminal to rape someone, I doubt I would want
to take the time to snip off clothing. Get in, do it, get out would
probably be the prudent course. That is not to say nobody would
want to take the time to cut off a victim's underwear, of course,
but it seems to me that spending that time and attention could lead
to getting injured by the victim as well as getting caught by the
authorities.

I believe I shall stick to doing this at home, where we can engage
each other in a relatively safe and consensual manner.

--
Von

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TOPIC: M/s, history and symbolism.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:06 am
From: "Bob King"

Troia wrote:
> Bob King wrote:
> > I was morose yesterday, and when I'm morose I love to torture myself,
> > though the idea was initially to find a an old flame.
>
> When I first read this, I took it to mean "former love" ("old flame").
>
> Ah, words!

I was definitely playing with them, since the contex was a rather ugly
situation - ancient history now - that did involve what is now an "old
flame."

I never did find my text-flame. (sigh) Probably just as well.

> > Specifically, one
> > I'd written in iambic pentameter, to show our new RT that she really
> > isn't being flamed. Not even Lynn, by Lynn's standards.

>
> It's sometimes such a hard point to convey to newer subs -- not just
> having boundaries but that the "Master" needs to use care and the sub
> needs to use her brain -- especially problematic with those who believe
> being a "slave" means letting the Master define them and having
> absolutely no free thought or will.

I convey it to them in these terms: "and what in all of that is of
benifit to me?" It's not feeding my kinks, and even if it were, I can't
see it as something I could put up with indefinitely. As for defining
another - well, I'm more comfortable with that, as I'm pretty good at
eliciting admissions of what people already are and won't admit to
themselves.

> I think I like the example because it addresses it in a way that
> doesn''t bring up the more complex issue of abuse.

Well, ignorance and self-delusion are generally the roots of abuse;
doing unto others or putting up with that which you think you ought to
do, rather than what is actually appropriate to your need-set. Abuse
happens - mostly, I think - when needs are denied, or made conditional
on doing something that's damaging to your person or sanity.

Then, of course, we come to the rarer cases, where the abuse is a
result of some form of an unfashiable but very real condition of choice
- evil.

However, most of those folks seem to be preoccupied with politics at
the moment. :>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:17 am
From: "Bob King"

SilverOz wrote:

> A similar idea to the one already alluded to, that they are safe to
> say "anything" because the master won't ask for something they find it
> too hard to do.
>
> Except they can say "give up self" because they are sure it won't be
> any such thing, just the enjoyable illusion of same.
>
> SilverOz

Oh, and He will Know That Without Having to be Told, of course.

I once saw that illusion dissapear in a single stroke of a flogger
constructed from plastic tubing. The reviews were negative. :P I later
got a soft deerhide flogger that is mostly "sound and fury," signifying
a good massage. (Made by Ice of Portland, a beautiful ball-head
flogger.)

I've come to prefer canes though.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 12 2006 6:20 am
From: "Bob King"

Lynn wrote:
> Bob King wrote:
> > I was morose yesterday, and when I'm morose I love to torture myself,
> > though the idea was initially to find a an old flame. Specifically, one
> > I'd written in iambic pentameter, to show our new RT that she really
> > isn't being flamed. Not even Lynn, by Lynn's standards.
>
> Oh, Bob, Bob, Bob. I just took a final exam tonight and am extremely
> wrung out and will not be able to process your very detailed,
> thoughtful, and personal essay tonight. I promise, tomorrow I will
> give it the attention it deserves. Wait, I have to do traffic school
> tomorrow. Wednesday, then. Ah, fuckit, I'll get up early tomorrow to
> read it. Seems like a good cause.
>
> Lynn

Why thank you;

Yes, it was something of a core dump, wasn't it?

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